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  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    ara3n wrote:
    Well it wasn't MS that got Navision to where they are.

    Hm, i must say, I've seen a big "boost" since Microsoft bought Navision. Number of Navision consultants have been (at least) doubled in Belgium... . About customers, I don't know.

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,255
    One of reason for this is MS marketing. That's what MS is good at.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    BlackTiger wrote:
    It's not a big problem to double (or triple) number of consultants... Much harder to increase number of customers and professional developers.

    Believe me ... you're not going to double your consultants when there are no customers for them ... :-k

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • Luc_VanDyckLuc_VanDyck Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 3,633
    BlackTiger wrote:
    PS: I'm absolutely sure what nobody from MS reading this forum!
    You wanna bet?
    No support using PM or e-mail - Please use this forum. BC TechDays 2024: 13 & 14 June 2024, Antwerp (Belgium)
  • krikikriki Member, Moderator Posts: 9,094
    BlackTiger wrote:
    PS: I'm absolutely sure what nobody from MS reading this forum!
    You wanna bet?
    I bed they read this forum! :mrgreen:
    Regards,Alain Krikilion
    No PM,please use the forum. || May the <SOLVED>-attribute be in your title!


  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    It wouldn't make sense if they didn't ...

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • MbadMbad Member Posts: 344
    Waldo wrote:
    You're so sure?

    Yes.

    And hey.
    Maybe MS is good at putting out sales materials and doing promotions but isnt that only to the benefit of the partners and hence us(whereever your chair is in the organization)? NAV is still in my mind one of the best tools a business can have(Miklos said it better), and eventhough the direction the program is taking towards integration with other MS products isnt my favorite path, Im sure the MS devoloping team is still focused on keeping that basic structure that is the reason i love developing in Navision. Yes there has been a lot of 'noise' implemented mainly because they sometime try to please, more than implement strong basic structures, but all in all this is a pretty cool program.
    I for one look forward to 5.0. For ye of little faith ill bet ya its more about features than streamlining.
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,255
    The string limitation of 250 characters on COM objects has been reported here for several years here now. Nothing has been done about it. Can somebody tell me why?
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • Luc_VanDyckLuc_VanDyck Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 3,633
    There is a difference in "MS is reading this forum" and "MS uses this forum as input to enhance their products".

    The first statement is true. I don't know about the 2nd one.
    No support using PM or e-mail - Please use this forum. BC TechDays 2024: 13 & 14 June 2024, Antwerp (Belgium)
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    Microsoft will make products that will also leverage the sale of their other softwares. You can guarentee that.

    I wonder if Microsoft will release one product that will bundle the following for companies with 50 users:

    Microsoft Dyanmics
    Microsoft Office
    Windows Server
    MS SQL Server
    Sharepoint Server

    And the installation of everything in the bundle will be just using wizards. Basically Next... Next... Next... Finish type of deal.

    This way, they just buy one product and they're done.

    I know this is possible, so don't say it's not possible! :evil:
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,255
    I guess in your prediction, there is no place us the solution centers/ developers, consultants.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    ara3n wrote:
    I guess in your prediction, there is no place us the solution centers/ developers, consultants.

    Sure there is. Now consultants can focus on the real business problems instead of on technical problems.
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,255
    I thought that was what Navision original goal. No administration required. Simple server client installation. What has/will change?
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    ara3n wrote:
    I thought that was what Navision original goal. No administration required. Simple server client installation. What has/will change?

    Yeah, and my point was so that if Microsoft is forcing us to learn all these software, why not just bundle it all into one simple package that we learn and be done with it.
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,255
    MS had sharepoint services and MS office and SQL for how long? I don't see customers buying them in one package. Now if they make them all into one product and have a universal client and sql server? hmmm.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • PhennoPhenno Member Posts: 630
    There is a difference in "MS is reading this forum" and "MS uses this forum as input to enhance their products".

    The first statement is true. I don't know about the 2nd one.

    Maybe it's true, but, from our (mibuso users) point of view it's the same thing... what good is it if they aren't concerning/reviewing opinions from one of the largest NAV community?
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Member Posts: 5,479
    Phenno wrote:
    There is a difference in "MS is reading this forum" and "MS uses this forum as input to enhance their products".

    The first statement is true. I don't know about the 2nd one.

    Maybe it's true, but, from our (mibuso users) point of view it's the same thing... what good is it if they aren't concerning/reviewing opinions from one of the largest NAV community?

    That's why they have this:

    http://www.microsoft.com/Businesssolutions/Community/Newsgroups/dgbrowser/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.navision&lang=en&cr=US
    David Singleton
  • PhennoPhenno Member Posts: 630
    Phenno wrote:
    There is a difference in "MS is reading this forum" and "MS uses this forum as input to enhance their products".

    The first statement is true. I don't know about the 2nd one.

    Maybe it's true, but, from our (mibuso users) point of view it's the same thing... what good is it if they aren't concerning/reviewing opinions from one of the largest NAV community?

    That's why they have this:

    http://www.microsoft.com/Businesssolutions/Community/Newsgroups/dgbrowser/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.navision&lang=en&cr=US

    Looks just like another dynamics community, only under MS's coat, though, I can't see is there MS's persons involved in conversations?
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Member Posts: 5,479
    Phenno wrote:

    Looks just like another dynamics community, only under MS's coat, though, I can't see is there MS's persons involved in conversations?

    I'll give you a hint, see the bit that says "microsoft.com" it sort of gives it away. :shock:
    David Singleton
  • PhennoPhenno Member Posts: 630
    Phenno wrote:

    Looks just like another dynamics community, only under MS's coat, though, I can't see is there MS's persons involved in conversations?

    I'll give you a hint, see the bit that says "microsoft.com" it sort of gives it away. :shock:


    I do understand that that is MS's newsgroup, the question is: do they read it with attention? (same for mibuso)
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Member Posts: 5,479
    Phenno wrote:


    I do understand that that is MS's newsgroup, the question is: do they read it with attention? (same for mibuso)

    If you make the topic as a "Suggestion to microsoft" it should be reviewed, but obviously if only a few people say "yes" to wanting the suggestion it will not have much weight.

    Keep in mind that there are over 1,000,000 Navision users, Microsoft have to have a product that suits the majority of those 1,000,000, and that's what they do. Also rememebr that for those users, priority number one is being able to do their job, entering orders, enquiring on stock, shipping goods, running a set of financials. i.e. Business applicaitons.
    David Singleton
  • PhennoPhenno Member Posts: 630
    If you make the topic as a "Suggestion to microsoft" it should be reviewed, but obviously if only a few people say "yes" to wanting the suggestion it will not have much weight.

    Keep in mind that there are over 1,000,000 Navision users, Microsoft have to have a product that suits the majority of those 1,000,000, and that's what they do. Also rememebr that for those users, priority number one is being able to do their job, entering orders, enquiring on stock, shipping goods, running a set of financials. i.e. Business applicaitons.


    I hope you are right :roll:

    To clarify, I do not have negative opinion about that, after all MS made a tremendous package called MS Office and they didn't make that without user's help.

    I'm just learned by many MS's answers that goes like "it's made by design and No, we will not change it whatsoever cause we don't think that is a bug or design problem".
    I would rather look at this (and those) communities as great and helpfull place for dynamics users but with not too big, direct, impact to MS.
  • DenSterDenSter Member Posts: 8,304
    I can tell you from personal experience with everyone at Microsoft (without exception) that there is a VERY strong customer focused culture at MSFT. We might argue that they are not the fastest responding to it, but it is VERY important to MSFT what their customers think. When they bought NAV though they did not think it was going to be this good for them, so they just took a while to warm up.
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    Phenno wrote:
    Looks just like another dynamics community, only under MS's coat, though, I can't see is there MS's persons involved in conversations?

    Believe it or not, I actually see Microsoft posting replys from time to time.
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    DenSter wrote:
    I can tell you from personal experience with everyone at Microsoft (without exception) that there is a VERY strong customer focused culture at MSFT. We might argue that they are not the fastest responding to it, but it is VERY important to MSFT what their customers think. When they bought NAV though they did not think it was going to be this good for them, so they just took a while to warm up.

    From the Microsoft people I met at Directions in Atlanta, GA, I agree very much with your statement.

    Microsoft does geniuely care for their customers. All these changes are designed with customer focus. Now, whether these changes will actually bring customer happiness is a separate issue.
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Member Posts: 5,479
    In version 5.1 we will have the ability to use lookup forms. =D>

    This to me shows that Microsoft listen to their community. I made it known that this was a genuine need for Navision, I assume that I wasn't the only one.

    Microsoft is very strong in the community, and they know how to use the community to make their products better. They listen to posts on all the forums, but not directly. Instead they have MVPs. MVPs listen to what people want, and pass that information to Microsoft.

    But keep in mind that Microsoft are not going to change the product because one or two loud voices want it. They are going to sit down and listen to rational arguments and make sound business decisions. They are here to make money in the the long term, and that means happy customers, and that means good products.

    Yes there have been a lot of things we don't like, but Microsoft buy out Navision is not only the best thing that ever happened to Navision, its also the only reason we are all still employed.
    David Singleton
  • SavatageSavatage Member Posts: 7,142
    I do once in a while try to answer questions on that forum, but it's been duscussed in the past how hard it is to follow a thread on that.

    Just a bad forum.. I usually try to direct them to mibuso.com and dynamicsusers.org.

    Hopefully MS just doesn't view that forum - they might get the impression that everything is OK due to the very few posts.
  • Alex_ChowAlex_Chow Member Posts: 5,063
    Savatage wrote:
    Hopefully MS just doesn't view that forum - they might get the impression that everything is OK due to the very few posts.

    :lol::lol::lol:

    Yeah, the UI is terrible on that forum. I go on there every once in a while. However, most users on there eventually find their way here, thanks to you of course. :wink:
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