NAV 2009 RTC network stats

kinekine Posts: 12,562Member
edited 2008-10-10 in NAV Three Tier
I have created some stats about network bandwidth of RTC and Classic client. You can read it on my blog. If you want to discuss the network bandwidth of the new RTC client, we can discuss in this post...

Right now it looks like the bandwidth is half of classic client, but all depends on how many postings/data processing are there and how much and what you are printing...

but definitely not "thin" client for you, who are thinking about RTC as about thin client...
Kamil Sacek
MVP - Dynamics NAV
My BLOG
NAVERTICA a.s.

Comments

  • BlackTigerBlackTiger Posts: 1,212Member
    kine wrote:
    ...but all depends on how many postings/data processing are there...

    :-k
    You sure? May be I'm wrong, but in "3tier" mode all "magic" happens in "application server". "Client" just sends "request" and receives "replies". "request" usually very small, "reply" - result set. So there is no place for "posting". In old client all "magic" was on client's side.

    If RTC uses XML as format to communicate with server then... traffic will be huge. Biggest XML problem - data overheads. How many "additional" bytes are used to transfer 1 byte of actual data? A lot. :) Binary format is much more effective.
    "You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them.
    By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new.” Steve Jobs
  • DenSterDenSter Posts: 8,121Member
    There is a HUGE difference between wat YOU think 3 tier SHOULD be, and what 3 tier NAV is. I'm not going to go into any discussion about whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, but that's the way it is.

    The RTC is not a thin client.
  • BlackTigerBlackTiger Posts: 1,212Member
    DenSter wrote:
    ...
    The RTC is not a thin client.

    I have no single doubt. It's became very popular to "reinvent" something, including wheel.
    For me NAV2009 looks like... very thick... browser... "plus one".
    "You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them.
    By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new.” Steve Jobs
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Posts: 5,454Member
    DenSter wrote:
    There is a HUGE difference between wat YOU think 3 tier SHOULD be, and what 3 tier NAV is. I'm not going to go into any discussion about whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, but that's the way it is.

    The RTC is not a thin client.

    Just imagine.... if 18 months ago we didn't have an NDA to worry about none of this thin client think client confusion would have happened. ](*,)
    David Singleton
  • DenSterDenSter Posts: 8,121Member
    BlackTiger wrote:
    It's became very popular to "reinvent" something, including wheel.
    For me NAV2009 looks like... very thick... browser... "plus one".
    I wonder why you feel the need to make everything so negative. You're not even giving constructive criticism, it's always breaking down everything about it. Why are you even working with NAV if you think it's such piece of crap?
  • DenSterDenSter Posts: 8,121Member
    Just imagine.... if 18 months ago we didn't have an NDA to worry about none of this thin client think client confusion would have happened. ](*,)
    I don't think it would have made much of a difference with certain people, but yes I wish we had been able to discuss these things even 3 years ago when the rumors started flying around.
  • David_SingletonDavid_Singleton Posts: 5,454Member
    DenSter wrote:
    Just imagine.... if 18 months ago we didn't have an NDA to worry about none of this thin client think client confusion would have happened. ](*,)
    I don't think it would have made much of a difference with certain people, but yes I wish we had been able to discuss these things even 3 years ago when the rumors started flying around.

    Ah but just that miss pronounciation of "Thin" when they meant to say "Thiner" would have made a lot of difference.
    David Singleton
  • kinekine Posts: 12,562Member
    BlackTiger wrote:
    kine wrote:
    ...but all depends on how many postings/data processing are there...

    :-k
    You sure? May be I'm wrong, but in "3tier" mode all "magic" happens in "application server". "Client" just sends "request" and receives "replies". "request" usually very small, "reply" - result set. So there is no place for "posting". In old client all "magic" was on client's side.

    If RTC uses XML as format to communicate with server then... traffic will be huge. Biggest XML problem - data overheads. How many "additional" bytes are used to transfer 1 byte of actual data? A lot. :) Binary format is much more effective.

    I am not talking about where the posting will happen. For me, as "user", I am just posting, and I measured the data flowing between RTC and Service-tier. I know that the posting will be done on the service-tier, but it doesn't matter from my "user" point of view, it is still posting during which the RTC is communicating with service-tier. ;-) And the bandwidth is much better...
    Kamil Sacek
    MVP - Dynamics NAV
    My BLOG
    NAVERTICA a.s.
  • BlackTigerBlackTiger Posts: 1,212Member
    DenSter wrote:
    I wonder why you feel the need to make everything so negative. You're not even giving constructive criticism, it's always breaking down everything about it. Why are you even working with NAV if you think it's such piece of crap?

    I'm not using NAV2009 and will not to use it for very long time even after release. Because of... hmmm... ok... "v4"... (even not "v5"!!!). Also I'm sick and tired of... no, neither Microsoft nor NAV2009... of "human factor".

    As I said before, I like NAV2009 as standalone product where NAV doesn't stands for "Navision".
    And I don't like it if "NAV" stands for "Navision". I just have our current "software" on my right monitor and NAV2009 on the left monitor....
    "You can’t just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them.
    By the time you get it built, they’ll want something new.” Steve Jobs
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