NAV 2009 CTP3 available for partners

Ilana_Smith_[MSFT]

There aren't private discussion forums for CTP3, but if you have feedback on the Technical Preview, please email navctp3@microsoft.com

wwestendorp

I was curious, so i tried to download the ctp3 (We are also MBS Partner)

The file exchange programms strarts but i receive a message that the specified transfer seesion can not be found ??

Any idea how to download this confidential file?

kine

Thanks Ilana for the info and the e-mail address.

BlackTiger: Please, change your job and work with something else than NAV... :whistle:

Ok, now, in my opinion, we can just talk about our feelings and general things around NAV 2009 but we cannot talk about the product itself (problems, bugs, solutions, interface etc.) and subjects which are based on the availability of CTP3 or any other version.

For me it means, that I can tell you that NAV 2009, and I mean the RTC, is something totaly different than you are used to. And this, as you can see, is source of irritation for some people. I remember times when many people were abusing the Win XP, now same people are abusing Vista and saying that XP are the best... you can expect same thing with each new product. Same for Office 2007 ribbon. New things just needs some time, because people need some time to get used to new ideas (do not forget about ideas like "Earth is orbiting Sun" etc...).

Yes, there are some aspects I do not like too, but I am sure that I will not change my work because that, because the good things are much better... 8)
(I am already bored with solving same things with same tools in same ways... ;-))

Let's go and learn something new! Take NAV 2009 as beginning of new Adventure in your NAV live!

David_Cox

@ Black tiger - you have the option to run either the Navision forms or the Windows forms


:!:

Waldo

kine wrote:

Thanks Ilana for the info and the e-mail address.

BlackTiger: Please, change your job and work with something else than NAV... :whistle:

Ok, now, in my opinion, we can just talk about our feelings and general things around NAV 2009 but we cannot talk about the product itself (problems, bugs, solutions, interface etc.) and subjects which are based on the availability of CTP3 or any other version.

For me it means, that I can tell you that NAV 2009, and I mean the RTC, is something totaly different than you are used to. And this, as you can see, is source of irritation for some people. I remember times when many people were abusing the Win XP, now same people are abusing Vista and saying that XP are the best... you can expect same thing with each new product. Same for Office 2007 ribbon. New things just needs some time, because people need some time to get used to new ideas (do not forget about ideas like "Earth is orbiting Sun" etc...).

Yes, there are some aspects I do not like too, but I am sure that I will not change my work because that, because the good things are much better... 8)
(I am already bored with solving same things with same tools in same ways... ;-))

Let's go and learn something new! Take NAV 2009 as beginning of new Adventure in your NAV live!

Good one, Kine. Couldn't have said it better. =D>

tinoruijs

kine wrote:

Let's go and learn something new! Take NAV 2009 as beginning of new Adventure in your NAV live!

I totally agree! =D>

David_Singleton

BlackTiger wrote:

Ok. For some reasons I've decided to install NAV2009 once again.
...

So even though you finally realize that you are under NDA, you STILL don't respect it.

:evil:

Marije_Brummel

What David means is that despite that the intention is right, it is not allowd to post or blog about version 2009.

Sorry.

I hope you have fun with 2009 anyway...

themave

Hi guys, end user here, so what can you tell me about nav2009
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just kidding

Alex_Chow

themave wrote:

Hi guys, end user here, so what can you tell me about nav2009

It's still under development.

Alex_Chow

Give BlackTiger a break.

The NAV community needs somebody like BlackTiger to b*tch and moan and make a rukus. As much as his choice of words do not jive with me, I do agree with some comments he makes (on this thread and elsewhere on this forum).

NAV2009 requires you to re-learn a lot of things again and throw away some technical skills you've held on for so long.

To BlackTiger, if we meet, I'm buying you a beer.

David_Singleton

Alex Chow wrote:

Give BlackTiger a break.

The NAV community needs somebody like BlackTiger to b*tch and moan and make a rukus. As much as his choice of words do not jive with me, I do agree with some comments he makes (on this thread and elsewhere on this forum).

NAV2009 requires you to re-learn a lot of things again and throw away some technical skills you've held on for so long.

To BlackTiger, if we meet, I'm buying you a beer.

:shock: are you saying that this exempts him from his NDA requirements? The contract that his employer signed with Microsoft clearly states that those employees are under the same NDA restrictions that the partner signed.

Personally I think best for all is that this thread is deleted.

Alex_Chow

David Singleton wrote:

:shock: are you saying that this exempts him from his NDA requirements? The contract that his employer signed with Microsoft clearly states that those employees are under the same NDA restrictions that the partner signed.

That's not what I'm saying. If the company he works for signs an NDA, it's the company that employs him that needs to held accountable. If the employee decides to break the NDA without the employer knowing, then it's a separate issue.

What I am saying is that comments by BlackTiger are valid and should be taken into consideration before it gets shot down because his choice of words is terrible. Or asking him to change jobs because he has strong opinions about Navision.

To BlackTiger, you really have to work on your vocabulary. Saying things "suck" doesn't help anything improve. "Suck" is relative.

davmac1

End users who want to know about future versions like this one, should really go to Convergence where a lot of future information is presented by Navision.
Plus you get to meet a lot of fellow Navision users and get incentive discounts to be used for future purchases.

Alex_Chow

BlackTiger wrote:

Ok. I'm subscribing to this ... topic in last time.

Now I want to see and read EXACT section numbers of "NDA" which I "broke". And please include text as well. Because in 8+ years with NAV I've NEVER saw any "NDA".

If I will not see answer in next 3 days then... I will call somebody "liar".

A good place to get a copy of the NDA is from your employer.

Jascha_Vincke

=D> It was really, really fun to read this thread. If I try to illustrate my opinion to some posts (Not only posts by Bla*******) it could look like this: :? :-s \:D/ #-o :roll:

And I don't talk about your opinions, just things like some "facts" you discussed about. Let's start ...

BlackTiger wrote:

PS: I'm dealing with NAV much longer than MS...

:? This was my very first "rofl" during my "adventure" through this thread. Yeah, you are The One!

BlackTiger wrote:

If all your mystical "partners" are happy about "new" client then I will change my job quite soon...

:-s I'm really sorry that the Microsoft Dynamics NAV community has lost your skills and knowledge. I wish you a great new job where you will be more happy! Nothing more to say to this one ...

kine wrote:

(I am already bored with solving same things with same tools in same ways... )

Let's go and learn something new! Take NAV 2009 as beginning of new Adventure in your NAV live!

\:D/ Absolutely

BlackTiger wrote:

And believe me...

If to save something or somebody for some reason, which I think is important for me, I will have to brake some human defined law, I will break it...

PS:
Yep, I'm more Sith than Jedi.
More Master than Doctor...

#-o At this point I thought that your age don't meet the requirements to fit your "PS:" in my first quote. (Sorry for that, but such a post in this context ... nah )

BlackTiger wrote:

Ok. I'm subscribing to this ... topic in last time.

:roll: ... sure ...


The absolutely best damn thing is this community. Page 5 ... five unanswered posts ... silence ;-) ... i really had to laugth ... damn good mibuso!
And there was a great discussion about the NDA ruleset incl. input by Microsoft. Great! Maybe rename the thread in 'NDA discussion' or sth else.

Well my opinion about NAV 2009 at all: The technology improvements are so damn good and useful. We are all humans (hope so ^^) and have a different opinion how a good look and feel has to be (for both RTC&CC!). So let us talk about again if we have the first customer feedback. End-Users! Not some Cust. who has 'seen' the new Version.

A few words about "Use Classic Client"- "Use RTC"- "Build own Client around NAV Server"-posts:
1. Think role based
2. Remember integrated innovation
3. Read SOD
0. use a filter :P


Enjoy NAV 2009 and have a damn good time with it!


Sorry for re-open this thread, but it was too much fun to read it!


(Edit: Duh! First post since _years_ )

(Edit:

Alex Chow wrote:

NAV2009 requires you to re-learn a lot of things again and throw away some technical skills you've held on for so long.

Why throw away? I can't imagine skills that I'm now able to throw away. Please let us discuss this again with the Marketing Beta!)

Belias

- How to increase number of (default/minimum) lines in "Order Line" page?
- Have you tested new UI ("Sales Order Card" page) on 1024x768 screens? Ok, let's simplify a little. Let's say 1280x800.
- How to create an "action" to upload some file (show "OpenFileDialog"/"SaveFileDialog") from "Page" to/from "server"?
- How to quickly find item/customer in list (aka "Quick find")? And now without a mouse...
- This one for "UX team". Since when became "natural" to look at screen's bottom? I mean new "replacement" for "TabControl". After expanding several "tabs" in SO entry "page" I've completely lost "lines" "part".
- Color scheme...

true... =D>
users whitout quickfind = :shock:
but there are also good things...

X[1]:=126;X[2]:=67;X[3]:=65;X[4]:=47;X[5]:=76;X[6]:=32;X[7]:=114;X[8]:=111;X[9]:=120;X[10]:=120;X[11]:=120;X[12]:=126;
FOR I:=1 TO 12 DO S+=X;MESSAGE(S);

How did you manage to compile this?I managed to do it in some way but maybe i'm missing something...BTW, you should revert the 3rd and 4th chars..c/al, not ca/l

Waldo

Belias wrote:

X[1]:=126;X[2]:=67;X[3]:=65;X[4]:=47;X[5]:=76;X[6]:=32;X[7]:=114;X[8]:=111;X[9]:=120;X[10]:=120;X[11]:=120;X[12]:=126;
FOR I:=1 TO 12 DO S+=X;MESSAGE(S);

How did you manage to compile this?I managed to do it in some way but maybe i'm missing something...BTW, you should revert the 3rd and 4th chars..c/al, not ca/l

You guys got too much time...

Belias

I was waiting 4 a colleague...only 5mins...sorry [-o<

kriki

Belias wrote:

X[1]:=126;X[2]:=67;X[3]:=65;X[4]:=47;X[5]:=76;X[6]:=32;X[7]:=114;X[8]:=111;X[9]:=120;X[10]:=120;X[11]:=120;X[12]:=126;
FOR I:=1 TO 12 DO S+=X;MESSAGE(S);

How did you manage to compile this?I managed to do it in some way but maybe i'm missing something...BTW, you should revert the 3rd and 4th chars..c/al, not ca/l

Just put X,S as as text30 and I as integer.

Took me less then a minute to check it out.

Not that I have so much time, but Belias got me very curious now. :whistle:

tinoruijs

kriki wrote:

Not that I have so much time, but Belias got me very curious now. :whistle:

D*mn *t, Alain. I'm busy too...
You made me curious now..

Nice.

Jascha_Vincke

Years ago X was an interger array with 12 Dimensions

BTW, you should revert the 3rd and 4th chars

I'll update my later ...

DenSter

Cute and yes, it does

Belias

kriki wrote:

Belias wrote:

X[1]:=126;X[2]:=67;X[3]:=65;X[4]:=47;X[5]:=76;X[6]:=32;X[7]:=114;X[8]:=111;X[9]:=120;X[10]:=120;X[11]:=120;X[12]:=126;
FOR I:=1 TO 12 DO S+=X;MESSAGE(S);

How did you manage to compile this?I managed to do it in some way but maybe i'm missing something...BTW, you should revert the 3rd and 4th chars..c/al, not ca/l

Just put X,S as as text30 and I as integer.

Took me less then a minute to check it out.

Not that I have so much time, but Belias got me very curious now. :whistle:

it's the way i've done it...I used some chars before but i realized that something was wrong...well...it tooks to you less than 1 min...this is the one of the reasons of your mvp logo

Waldo

Belias wrote:

...it tooks to you less than 1 min...this is the one of the reasons of your mvp logo ...

What do you mean ... because of the fact that he can exaggerate?


Just kidding

Bgestel

Waldo wrote:

Belias wrote:

...it tooks to you less than 1 min...this is the one of the reasons of your mvp logo ...

What do you mean ... because of the fact that he can exaggerate?


Just kidding

I Don't know if you noticed, but he does have a very big brain hiding under that scalp 8)

And people RELAX nav 2009 will grow on you. Imagine how cave men felt when they saw the first fire . And if somebody thinks i'm calling you cave man , well, , it looks like i am.....doesn't it?

navrecruit

NAV2009:

1) No matrixbox control - impacts:
- analysis views
- budgets - take a look (?!?) - it's strange!
- dimension combinations - who can use it right now?
- etc, etc

Try to change column width on analysis views (he, he, he - funny isn't it?).
Can you see vertical dimension when scrolled?
It is simply childish to expect that *anybody* will accept this.

Take a look at castrated account schedules - no way to navigate through periods, etc. etc.

2) Virtually all usefull shortcuts do not work;
- zoom
- F8 (sic! tell it to your accountant!)
- CTRL+F (???!)

But now you have very funny shortcut : CTRL+U - drill down.
Drilldown to ... what?
It even works somehow ;-))) But not the way you expect ;-))
TRY IT ;-)
Who the hell has invented this?

and last but not least:

3) FORGET FLOWFIELDS FOREVER

- try to add credit/debit amount to chart of accounts ... no one?
- try to add balance to customer list ... not found ;-) ???
- try to add INVENTORY flowfield to item list ... nothing ???
- try to ... ;-(

Most of our customers *do use it everyday*
... but MS has thoroughly investigated UI ... hmmm


It is not Navision any longer ... sorry

kine

navrecruit wrote:

NAV2009:

1) No matrixbox control - impacts:
- analysis views
- budgets - take a look (?!?) - it's strange!
- dimension combinations - who can use it right now?
- etc, etc

Try to change column width on analysis views (he, he, he - funny isn't it?).
Can you see vertical dimension when scrolled?
It is simply childish to expect that *anybody* will accept this.

Take a look at castrated account schedules - no way to navigate through periods, etc. etc.

2) Virtually all usefull shortcuts do not work;
- zoom
- F8 (sic! tell it to your accountant!)
- CTRL+F (???!)

But now you have very funny shortcut : CTRL+U - drill down.
Drilldown to ... what?
It even works somehow ;-))) But not the way you expect ;-))
TRY IT ;-)
Who the hell has invented this?

and last but not least:

3) FORGET FLOWFIELDS FOREVER

- try to add credit/debit amount to chart of accounts ... no one?
- try to add balance to customer list ... not found ;-) ???
- try to add INVENTORY flowfield to item list ... nothing ???
- try to ... ;-(

Most of our customers *do use it everyday*
... but MS has thoroughly investigated UI ... hmmm


It is not Navision any longer ... sorry

Just take it as a new product. Yes, there are some child illnesses, but FLOWFIELDS are working correctly...

Shortcuts? Ok, they are standardized with other MS applications. if you learn them, you will be better in using other applications too...

Matrixbox? Yes, it is pitty, but it means that there is space for your invention to create some tool for that e.g. through external application etc.).

Marije_Brummel

I am using NAV2009 for my everyday work. It takes some time to get used to but after that it is just fine.

For some actions I still use the old client but mainly because I have not converted all forms and reports yet.

Performance is fine and the product is very stable.

tinoruijs

Mark Brummel wrote:

I am using NAV2009 for my everyday work. It takes some time to get used to but after that it is just fine.

For some actions I still use the old client but mainly because I have not converted all forms and reports yet.

Performance is fine and the product is very stable.

Good to hear! 8)