Navision Rocks

sadynamics

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Tomas

In your face, SAP

Alex_Chow

I must say, it took the public long enough to realize that SAP is expensive and not as user friendly compared to MBS products.

It's about time. 8)

tinoruijs

But only a couple of months ago I read SAP had sold more in the Netherlands than MS Dynamics.

But now rank 1 in this article. That's nice.

Alex_Chow

tinoruijs wrote:

But only a couple of months ago I read SAP had sold more in the Netherlands than MS Dynamics.

But now rank 1 in this article. That's nice.

Yes, but that only means that SAP is doing a better job at marketing.

tinoruijs

Alex Chow wrote:

tinoruijs wrote:

But only a couple of months ago I read SAP had sold more in the Netherlands than MS Dynamics.

But now rank 1 in this article. That's nice.

Yes, but that only means that SAP is doing a better job at marketing.

That may be right. And considering MS ain't bad in marketing either, I have confidence in the future of MS Dynamics NAV.

Alex_Chow

tinoruijs wrote:

That may be right. And considering MS ain't bad in marketing either, I have confidence in the future of MS Dynamics NAV.

That's not quite true... The reason is beacuse MSFT dabs in too many different products. i.e., home entertainment, desktop, server, database, etc.

Even today when you ask people what Microsoft is they'll probably say they just create desktop operating systems.

I don't believe most people in the world can associate Microsoft with ERP systems yet.

idiot

What's the evaluation criteria?
I've known some studies that
. even though the client stopped using the product, the client was not removed from the client base...
. for surveys when the client's not responding, the default is satisfactory...

Alex_Chow

idiot wrote:

What's the evaluation criteria?
I've known some studies that
. even though the client stopped using the product, the client was not removed from the client base...
. for surveys when the client's not responding, the default is satisfactory...

That's true. I've posted a link (somewhere on this forum 8) ) reporting that half of all studies are proven incorrect.

So this means that SAP will release their own studies saying SAP has higher satisfaction rating than MBS.

And maybe in the future, they'll release a study saying that drinking a glass of red wine isn't really good for you. And that smoking is actually good for you.

Nonetheless, the public needs these "studies", because we believe everything we read.

hawwa

I think current Nav is still very far lacking behind SAP. Give Microsoft a little more time to catch up with SAP. Looked at the Nav 6 Demo video, seems that Nav has improved a lot in the Nav 6.

I think Nav can capture a big portion of the market share if they keep on improving the system on every new version release. It will reach a point where a lot of people will say SAP is the best but Nav is the best alternative and they will buy Nav instead after considering the cost difference between SAP and Nav. Just like Oracle vs SQL Server. Everybody say Oracle is the best but many companies use SQL Server instead after considering the cost, user friendlyness and SQL Server also can perform the job as good as or close to Oracle.


Currently, not many people know what is Nav yet. Whenever people talk about ERP, they will think of SAP, Oracle, JD Edward and Peoplesoft. Everytime I tell people, I am working on Nav, I need to explain it is an ERP software from Microsoft.

idiot

Nav will never & not intended to compete with SAP. M$ has Ax to that arena.
SAP's equivalent of NAv will be SAP B1...


Nav is targetted at SME, which is excellent for many SME. However when SME expand, Nav is not that scalable.

The reason everyone thinks of SAP, etc when ERP is mentioned is because of the asociation SAP, etc = ERP & they achieved critical mass in line with that long ago before anyone knew what ERP stands for.

Also the experienced gained by users of SAP helped pushed the product further...
Come to think of it, I knew of SAP through word of mouth, but Nav through read ups...

ramon_nav

idiot wrote:

M$ has
SAP's equivalent of NAv will be SAP B1...through read ups...

Well, I happen to know the functionalitey of B1... Funcitionality wise. B1 is no competetion to NAV. NAV has much more functionality (although it is not always completed ). Flexibility is lacking as well in B1 (though it is bether than Exact ERP for instance).

Price is an issue... B1 seems to be cheaper to buy. But if you take TCO in consideration, I do not know who wins. I do know what the users prefer

Alex_Chow

idiot wrote:

Nav is targetted at SME, which is excellent for many SME. However when SME expand, Nav is not that scalable.

Not that scalable? Are you kidding me? Or are you just trying to make a random statement to make your point?

I've been in several implementations where disproves your assumption. One of our clients grew from $5m in revenue to $70m in revenue using NAV (10 employees to around 150 employees). That's 1300% growth!

Another implementation I've been involved with went from $100m to $400m in revenue using NAV. That's 300% growth!

Both of these companies has no plans to change ERP system for the foreseeable future.

So scalability is definitely one of the biggest strengths of NAV.

jlandeen

I completely agree...I've found that if well implemented and managed NAV can go from just a few users to well over 100 without too much struggle. In a lot of cases I think that provides more then enough room to grow.

This coupled with the ease of customization can allow businesses to build processes that give them competitive advantage within a reasonable timeframe.

The biggest caveat to all this is that even though "Navision Rocks" (which it does) it still can't implement itself. So customers must be willing to put in the hard yards to make an implementation work and they must select a competent partner who's willing to do their part.