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NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
edited 2007-09-25 in NAV Three Tier
Hello.

I was looking at the link from the screensaver and saw this link.
https://mbs.microsoft.com/partnersource/documentation/whitepapers/nav_employeeportalwp.htm

Is this news? An updated doc for a product that is 2 years old.
They are stretching it.

Where is the 5.1 vpc image they've been promising. Why aren't they releasing documents about 5.1 it?

Shouldn’t NCS learn the product before it’s released? Or is it always the first customer you implement 5.1 will be the Guinea pig.
The whole 5.0 release is a joke. Telling customers to upgrade to 5.0 then to 5.1. Hah.
5.0 to 5.1 upgrade will take almost double time than any version upgrade to 5.0. No customer would want to upgrade twice. They are as painfull to them as it is.

GP 10.0 has been shipped and it has the same GUI as 5.1. Granted Nav is 3 tiered.
my 2 cents
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  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    For me it makes perfect sense. The 5.0 code is written with the new client in mind: redesigned objects to support the new clients.

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    And don't forget the EP from two years ago isn't the EP from now anymore! The basics are the same, but man, there is so much more functionality now!

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • BromannBromann Member Posts: 10
    Waldo wrote:
    And don't forget the EP from two years ago isn't the EP from now anymore! The basics are the same, but man, there is so much more functionality now!

    What new EP funtionality would that be?
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    Bromann wrote:
    Waldo wrote:
    And don't forget the EP from two years ago isn't the EP from now anymore! The basics are the same, but man, there is so much more functionality now!

    What new EP funtionality would that be?

    probably they've finally made it work. :mrgreen:
    my 2 cents
  • denmark_serrano77denmark_serrano77 Member Posts: 12
    NavStudent wrote:
    Bromann wrote:
    Waldo wrote:
    And don't forget the EP from two years ago isn't the EP from now anymore! The basics are the same, but man, there is so much more functionality now!

    What new EP funtionality would that be?

    probably they've finally made it work. :mrgreen:


    it was working two years ago... as for the new functionality, they might have polished some components. a new installer is available by the way. they just released it to fix a bug. ask for KB 938020 when logging a new support request. i think the KB article is not published yet though.
    Denmark
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    any update on when 5.1 vpc will be released?
    my 2 cents
  • p.willemse6p.willemse6 Member Posts: 216
    we're told it will be oktober...
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    Why don't they release the info on the web?

    Instead all I get is hearsay.


    This looks like another postponement.
    my 2 cents
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    NavStudent wrote:
    Why don't they release the info on the web?

    Instead all I get is hearsay.


    This looks like another postponement.

    Well, if it is, I'm sure it's for the best...

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    Best for whom?

    clients who are paying anuall maintance fee and getting no software?
    my 2 cents
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    For clients who are paying anual maintenance fee and get a stable product. :|

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    if average lenght of ERP software is about 5 years. Weighting 2 years for a new version make a big difference.

    MS Nav knows about it, that is why they released 5.0, which just made customer decision harder to make.

    The customer didn't have to make this kind of decision.

    Should I upgrade to 5.0 or 5.1

    What about if they postpone it for another year? 2 years?

    Now you are stuck with a 5.0 for GR1 countries.
    They are not releasing any service pack for 4.0. And they won't released a service pack for 5.0, because they'll release that for 5.1.

    Who is getting more stable product? All the existing customer problem are not resolved. Look at 4.0 SQL 2K5 performance issue.
    They haven't released a good solution. There are 6 exe updates for sp3, and they are not releasing it for 5.0?
    my 2 cents
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    NavStudent wrote:
    Now you are stuck with a 5.0 for GR1 countries.
    They are not releasing any service pack for 4.0. And they won't released a service pack for 5.0, because they'll release that for 5.1.

    You base this on what?

    I understand your frustration, but don't blame me. I was just saying that 5.1 will come ... and if postponing gives us a better product ... that let them postpone ... .

    I totally agree in the SQL2005 issue...

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    I asked MS about any service packs that they are planning to release and the answer was, no.
    my 2 cents
  • Ian_Piddington10199Ian_Piddington10199 Member Posts: 167
    Our local MS support office told us that there will be a SP4 for 4.0 they just didn't have a timeframe for the release. This was after we rasied a query with them about a problem. They gave a fix and said it would be included in SP4.

    So it would seem that there are service packs still in the pipeline.

    I agree with you on some of it though. I'd like to see the 5.1 preview but as it's been delayed a few times now I am not getting to wound up about it all. It will be released when MS think its ready and not before, it doesn't help us plan but its a fact.

    Ian
    Regards

    Ian
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    The SP4 is also something I heared ... but not officially :|

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • DenSterDenSter Member Posts: 8,307
    I don't know anything about this. Why would there be a 4.0 SP4 if there's already a 5.0? Wouldn't it make more sense to have 5.0 SP1?
    Daniel Rimmelzwaan
    RIS Plus, LLC
  • NavStudentNavStudent Member Posts: 399
    hehe.. 5.0 is really a paper launch.

    MS is still marketing and selling 4.0 .

    Just look at partner source page.
    Sales and Marketing Tools to Help you Sell More Microsoft Dynamics NAV 4.0!
    my 2 cents
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,256
    In the last 2 years all you could sell or upgrade to is 4.0

    So there a lot of customers on that version, and a lot of moved to sql.

    And they haven't released a version that doesn't have any problems (specially on sql 2k5.

    And nobody wants to install sp3, and install 4 improvements on top of that.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • WaldoWaldo Member Posts: 3,412
    DenSter wrote:
    I don't know anything about this. Why would there be a 4.0 SP4 if there's already a 5.0? Wouldn't it make more sense to have 5.0 SP1?

    Because 4.0 is still "supported".
    Implementing a SP is a lot easier then upgrading to 5.0 to fix stuff (cfr. data upgrade). Don't you agree?

    Eric Wauters
    MVP - Microsoft Dynamics NAV
    My blog
  • DenSterDenSter Member Posts: 8,307
    I don't think they ever did that before. There wasn't any Service Pack for 3.6 when 3.7 was out. Maybe a hotfix here and there, but not SP's. It's always been so that if you wanted to take advantage of the latest software update you do a technical upgrade to the latest exe's. I'm just surprised that they would release an SP for 4.0 when they should be implementing all of those hotfixes to 5.0.

    All that I agree on is that this would be a big fat mess, I'll keep the rest of my opinion to myself :)
    Daniel Rimmelzwaan
    RIS Plus, LLC
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,256
    I agree that people should the an exe upgrade.

    The problem with 5.0 exe is that it has the new features on the menu and they would error out in 4.0 db.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • DenSterDenSter Member Posts: 8,307
    it's not a big problem though.
    Daniel Rimmelzwaan
    RIS Plus, LLC
  • pdjpdj Member Posts: 643
    DenSter wrote:
    I'm just surprised that they would release an SP for 4.0 when they should be implementing all of those hotfixes to 5.0.
    Are you saying that all the recent hotfixes for NAV4SP3 haven't been released for NAV5?
    Regards
    Peter
  • ara3nara3n Member Posts: 9,256
    Yep.
    Ahmed Rashed Amini
    Independent Consultant/Developer


    blog: https://dynamicsuser.net/nav/b/ara3n
  • pdjpdj Member Posts: 643
    Great ! #-o
    Well, I'm currently in a project of migrating a 3.70 solution to SQL. At the same time we will upgrade the run-time, but now I guess 5.0 is out of the question...
    Regards
    Peter
  • PerJuhlPerJuhl Member Posts: 55
    pdj wrote:
    DenSter wrote:
    I'm just surprised that they would release an SP for 4.0 when they should be implementing all of those hotfixes to 5.0.
    Are you saying that all the recent hotfixes for NAV4SP3 haven't been released for NAV5?

    Hi Peter

    Can you supply a list of the hotfixes for NAV40 SP3 ?

    The only fix on SP3 I know of, is the Vista platform update.

    BR Per
  • PerJuhlPerJuhl Member Posts: 55
    Hi Peter

    I have done a project, updating ONLY the exe file to NAV40 SP3 on Vista.

    From 3.60, no object upgrade.

    This works fine, just don't:

    - Use the 4.0/5.0 menu system.
    - Payment tolerance (Customer card form) only in 3.60, is changed i 3.70.
    - Non editable fields will not show right color on Vista color schem. (Change Vista to Windows Standard colors).
    - Use extended security login.
    - Excel, Word and Outlook integration has changed.

    Project is on SQL2000. We did NOT change anything on the server.

    Now you has all the new nice things in 4.0/5.0. FINDNEXT, SQL Keys and so on.

    If you have a var in the code called eg. FINDSET it will work, until you try edit the code.

    BR Per
  • pdjpdj Member Posts: 643
    (I'll get back to you on the first question, but the basic answer is "No" :( )
    PerJuhl wrote:
    This works fine, just don't:
    - Payment tolerance (Customer card form) only in 3.60, is changed i 3.70.
    How does a run-time update influence the payment tolerance functionality?
    PerJuhl wrote:
    If you have a var in the code called eg. FINDSET it will work, until you try edit the code.
    Didn't think if this, but makes sense. However; I doubt we have any :)
    Regards
    Peter
  • PerJuhlPerJuhl Member Posts: 55
    PerJuhl wrote:
    This works fine, just don't:
    - Payment tolerance (Customer card form) only in 3.60, is changed i 3.70.
    How does a run-time update influence the payment tolerance functionality?

    In 3.60 the code for payment tolerance was placed in the Customer Card form !!!!!!!!!! this code modify customer ledger entry !!!!!

    So the form need "modify rights" to Customer Ledger Entry. If the customer edit this form you can not save it. This is changed in 3.70 and
    the modify code placed in a codeunit (426). As it should be.

    So it's not a problem in your case. (3.70)

    BR Per
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