basic v advance

davidh

Please help!
My company is looking for a ERP and a CRM. We've seen 2 local partners for Nav. here. One said we need advance, another said we need basic. And advance is double the price than basic. Can anyone simply tell me what can basic do?
Also is there some CRM funtion build in basic?
I am also confused that we put a server here, but everyone has to use the system from internet instead of work as client-serve mode. Do we have a have a very quick internet connetion( like install a citrix) to work?

Phenno

davidh wrote:

Please help!
My company is looking for a ERP and a CRM. We've seen 2 local partners for Nav. here. One said we need advance, another said we need baic. And advance is double the price than basic. Can anyone simply tell me what can basic do?
Also is there some CRM funtion build in basic?

Main difference between basic and advanced are in a number of granules that advanced gives you. You'll have to carefully analyze that with your NSCs, f.g. to check all your needs that go through all granulas that are not in basic package.

davidh wrote:

I am also confused that we put a server here, but everyone has to use the system from internet instead of work as client-serve mode. Do we have a have a very quick internet connetion( like install a citrix) to work?

Navision is primary builded to work in client-server enviroment though client-server env. is not in standard. Here, server is mostly data-storage and client do the presentation and processing. In future, it will be 3-tier system with presentation-processing-storage levels but you'll have to wait at least 1~2 years for a good/stabile product.

Now, you have Navision client that connects through tcp, tcps to Microsoft SQL server or Navision Database Server (which you do have to choose, you have a lot of thread here that are related to this topic).
If you have remote sites that are inteded to be a part of navision system, you'll have to have VPN of some sort and that you can work either with terminal services or some specific product such as Citrix.
There is another way, called Employee portal where your employees can use web browser to work on Navision but its functionalities are limited and are mainly based for direct sell operators, data clerks or some report operators....

davidh

I just checked a list one NSC gave me, we'll lose CRM part in the basic version together with sales order and purchase order return management.
Also how much is the impletation ? one said same as software price, one said he only need a few days.
Apart from a serve, every user has access to internet, do we need any other hardware or software at all? I am not a IT specialist, havn't got any idea of this.
Is it ture that SQL 2005 is included in the price that you buy mycrosoft Nav.?

Phenno

davidh wrote:

I just checked a list one NSC gave me, we'll lose CRM part in the basic version together with sales order and purchase order return management.
Also how much is the impletation ? one said same as software price, one said he only need a few days.

Get away from those ones who are promissing fast implementations in few days without any previous analyses done....
Price of implementations vary cause of number of reasons such as complicated business processes, number of users, non-consistant business processes, etc... it is not so easy to give such price without thorough analyse and number of meetings...
There are calculations that says that average time of implementation of Navision is 3-6 month but it really depands on mentioned reasons (and lot more)

davidh wrote:

Apart from a serve, every user has access to internet, do we need any other hardware or software at all? I am not a IT specialist, havn't got any idea of this.
Is it ture that SQL 2005 is included in the price that you buy mycrosoft Nav.?

What you need is Win2k, WinXP OS on client side and network up&running between server and clients.

As for SQL, I think that you can buy (or you get it in advanced price package) a granule with which you may use MS SQL 2005 but only & only for Navision.

davidh

Do you know that warehouse management and e-store have to be in advance?
We definitely need these two.
thank you very much for your help!

davidh

also do we need to buy CITRIX? I just read it in another forum and get confused (like you have to have it ). We have some users in a few other states. They are currently access our server using VPN.

Phenno

davidh wrote:

Do you know that warehouse management and e-store have to be in advance?
We definitely need these two.
thank you very much for your help!

hm... for warehouse management, only if you are unsatisfied with what navision has. Take a deep brief from your NSC to find out what Navision nativly gives you in area of warehouse management and if that doesn't suite you that search for official add-ons on microsoft web. There is thousand of add-ons for navision, both vertical and horizontal solutions, maybe there is an adequate one for you.


As for e-commerce, although there is commerce portal in Nav 3.x, 4.x I think that they will no longer support it and e-commerce it self, in Navision, isn't such a good product. There, I definitively advice you to search throuh add-on catalogue for e-commerce solutions. You could even search mibuso forum for more informations, I think there were a lot of threads about that topic.

Phenno

davidh wrote:

also do we need to buy CITRIX? I just read it in another forum and get confused (like you have to have it ). We have some users in a few other states. They are currently access our server using VPN.

No, you don't. But if you have a lot of users that are connectiong through VPN, then it's probably better solution to get Citrix and have a good tool for managing users, connections, security, resource balancing, etc...

The only question is "how much users will be a border between Citrix and some other TS services or whatever"....

Maybe there are other reasons too, ofcourse, but for me, these ones are primary.

davidh

thanks again
We have about 25 users locally, then about 4 of each from 3 other states accesss through VPN.
Do you think we nee CITRIX?

David_Singleton

Phenno wrote:

davidh wrote:

..., one said he only need a few days.

Get away from those ones who are promissing fast implementations in few days without any previous analyses done...

I agree with Phenno, definitely stay away from that company, it will be a very very expensive implementation. The "couple of days" :^o probably means just installing the server and base application, and the rest will be time and materials from here to eternity.

Phenno

davidh wrote:

thanks again
We have about 25 users locally, then about 4 of each from 3 other states accesss through VPN.
Do you think we nee CITRIX?

Total of 12 concurrent users are connected most of the time to navision through VPN?

What is your hardware configuration on which you're planning to run TS or citrix applications? (It doesn't has to be same server as MS SQL or native DB)...

Those informations are needed too for that desicion. Personally, I installed Citrix only once and that is a limit of my knowledge about that. My whole speach about citrix are simply logical conclusions on "not too much expirienced topic".

David_Singleton

davidh wrote:

thanks again
We have about 25 users locally, then about 4 of each from 3 other states accesss through VPN.
Do you think we nee CITRIX?

You need Terminal server, Citrix is a nice to have, but not critical. Although you technically can, you should not run TS on the same server as Navision, as they use different resources, and tend to interfere to much with one another.

kriki

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