What you can do without buying developer license.

sbranin

I am an end user of Navision with development skills but not a "Navision Developer". I do not have a developer license. With my company license I can edit the structure of Tables, Forms, Reports, Dataports, XMLports, and MenuSuites. I cannot edit any Codeunits. This makes sense to me so far.

I have also found that I can edit the code (F9) behind Reports, and Dataports but not any other type of object including XMLports. I can see why access to the code behind Tables, Forms, etc. would be restricted but I can't see why I shouldn't be able to get to the code behind an XMLport. So far I haven't found that I can solve any of my XMLport needs without writing code.

Is this intentional on the part of Microsoft or a problem with my license?

-Steve

ara3n

My Point of view on this matter is that XMLPorts just like Codeunits are not allowed with customer license.
I would suggest buying the developer granuale. which is about 8K, which will allow you to do anything excep the protected tables and ledgers.

themave

Not being able to access cal code on tables and forms allows the end user to be able to do only superfical changes. If you want to do more you have to buy the applications designer for 8K, and even that still restricts you, yo have full developer access you have to also purchase the developer license which is 26K, in addition to the 8K for the application designer license. So, for an end use like myself, we have to fork over $34,000 to get the developer license that an solution center has. In my opinion it is so expensive so that most companies won't do it. Because once you have the developer license, you most likely could stay with the program without upgrades for a very long time, you also could do away with annaul mantinence. So, microsoft risks losing a lot of future revenue if they allow there users to have too much control.

to access xmlport you have to by that license which runs in the US $800 and then you have to buy XML Port Objects - $20 each or 100 for $800

Now once you have spent that I feel you should be able to access code, but you still can't, which to me make the license a little bogus, MS says yea you can license XML ports for $1600, but if you want to actual use them you will still have to pay your partner to do the programing.

To me this stinks.

but that is just my opinion

ara3n

I heard MS is moving to a per user licensing sceme. So that you don't have to buy each granuale. You'll have two license version. One basic, (without Manufacutring), and one with Manufacuturing.
These changes are ofcourse for front end granuales. I don't know what they'll do for Development environment. I hope they change it, make it less expensive or free

Alex_Chow

ara3n wrote:

make it less expensive or free

They'll do that when pigs can fly...

I can almost guarentee that the total cost of Navision will increase when they switch it to a per user pricing.

ara3n

I've seen a lot of comercials where they do fly. So it must be true!!!!


On the serious note. I believe with per user licensing, MS is making the software cheaper for entry level and midmarket clients to compete with SAP and Oracle.

Here is a link

http://www.crn.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=181500828

kine

Per user licensing is used in Europe for some time, but there is not much customers with that. It is good only for max. 20-40 sessions (depends on needed granules if you buy standard licensed Navi). And problem is, if you want to change from Per User to Standard it is not possible... it means, if you are lucky and your company is growing... :-)

Shenpen

Per user licencing would be an elegant way to kill the add-on culture, which would in turn an elegant way to kill Navision so I hope they didn't consider it seriously

themave

I would think per unit would apply to base product and add-ons would be sold same as always. As an extra. the add-on we have used are not based on number of users anyways. they are purchased as additional granuals, so I don't think per user pricing would affect add-on's