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kine · 2007-01-12

Hello everybody.

I started NAV 5.0 preview serial on my blog. If you want to know, what you can expect from v5.0, you will find usefull info there... I hope... 8)

First part is about new C/AL commands and new features in C/Side...

For URL see my signature...

Phenno · 2007-01-12

kine wrote:

Hello everybody.

I started NAV 5.0 preview serial on my blog. If you want to know, what you can expect from v5.0, you will find usefull info there... I hope... 8)

First part is about new C/AL commands and new features in C/Side...

For URL see my signature...

=D> =D>

Marije_Brummel · 2007-01-12

Good job :!:

I have not even touched the VPC :oops:

kriki · 2007-01-12

I did!
I am experimenting with it.
I have a DB I use for keeping track of Mibuso topics and posts (and I also use it as RSS-feeder with which I can read things offline) and I converted that to 5.00 Beta from 4.00SP1 on SQL.
It seems it works without problems. I have the feeling that it is faster on SQL.

I also found some bugs (hey, it is a beta!) I MVP-reported.

ara3n · 2007-01-12

I haven't received my CD, Probably because I haven't been home for a week and won't be there for another week.

Form.SourceTableTemporary(Yes/No)
With this property set to yes, will you able to run the form modal during a transaction or will you still get the runmodal Error?

Have they fixed the scrolling issue?

Does this also mean that we can use tab finally?

I can't wait to get back home.

DenSter · 2007-01-12

I haven't received the VPC yet either.

kriki · 2007-01-12

Did you send an email to your MVP lead to ask for it?
My MVP-lead send me an email that the MVP's had to send them an email to ask for a beta. So I didn't lose time and directly send one.

DenSter · 2007-01-12

Did that last month, right when I got the email. I'll check with my lead

kine · 2007-01-13

DenSter wrote:

I haven't received the VPC yet either.

Do not forget that it is much longer way from Copenhagen to you... :-)

kine · 2007-01-13

ara3n wrote:

Form.SourceTableTemporary(Yes/No)
With this property set to yes, will you able to run the form modal during a transaction or will you still get the runmodal Error?

Have they fixed the scrolling issue?

Does this also mean that we can use tab finally?

I do not assume that it will be possible to run modal form during opened transaction. If yes, it will be performance killer. This property is just about opening form over temporary table, which you can fill on beginning and process the data when closing without writing the data into DB... and without C/AL.

Scrolling issue: If you meant the issue about performance on MS SQL 2005 when going from bottom to up, I can try, but...

If you meant to use tab for indenting, than answer is yes, but it will indent just by one space, not like tab in other editors...

ara3n · 2007-01-13

will Currform.SETSELECTIONFILTER work on these temporary records on the form?

kine · 2007-01-13

I did some tests and the result is:

If I have form which have the SourceTableTemporary=Yes, I fill the temp table (Rec) by some values by hand, and after that I will call

  CurrFom.SETSELECTIONFILTER(AnotherRec);
  CurrFom.SETSELECTIONFILTER(Rec);

Result is, that all records with same PK as selected will be marked on both variables and both will be set to MarkedOnly = true. It means that on my form just the selected records will be marked and filtered out, in my variable AnotherRec (which is not temporary but real table) all records with same PK will be marked and filtered. If there are some records in rec which are not in AnotherRec, they will be ignored.

I hope that this answered your question.

ara3n · 2007-01-13

Yep it does.

Waldo · 2007-01-14

Great BLOG, Kine! =D>

I have my VPC for about a month already (and I do not even have a MVP-avatar

).

Too bad there wasn't a technical preview of 5.1 on it like they promised... .

I have been experimenting quite a bit, mainly with the new functionality (jobs; prepayments; ... ), experienced some minor bugs ... nothing worth mentioning... .

I haven't tried it on SQL though...

David_Singleton · 2007-01-14

kine wrote:

...Please, do not hesitate and write your reaction into post comments! ... (in generally, I do not know why there are no reactions on all NAV blogs. It is common to comment articles on blogs, but not on NAV blogs...)

I guess no one actually read your blog before replying :-k . But yes you are correct, no one likes replying to NAV Blogs, it's something of a curiosity.

kriki · 2007-01-15

kine wrote:

If you meant to use tab for indenting, than answer is yes, but it will indent just by one space, not like tab in other editors...

Indenting is by 2 spaces, unindenting is by 1 space. But that is good enough! \:D/ \:D/ \:D/

Waldo · 2007-01-15

Too bad it doesn't work with Vista (yet?).

kine · 2007-01-15

What is not working with Vista? VPC? It is working, you just need beta version of Virtual PC 2007... :-)

Kowa · 2007-01-15

David Singleton wrote:

kine wrote:

...Please, do not hesitate and write your reaction into post comments! ... (in generally, I do not know why there are no reactions on all NAV blogs. It is common to comment articles on blogs, but not on NAV blogs...)

I guess no one actually read your blog before replying :-k . But yes you are correct, no one likes replying to NAV Blogs, it's something of a curiosity.

I tried to submit a comment twice last friday, but only received an error message when doing so. Thanks kine, for sharing the information. 8)

kine · 2007-01-15

Can you post me the error? On which URL - MSMVPS or Dynamicsusers? Have you been logged in? I will check if anonymous posts are allowed...

Waldo · 2007-01-15

kine wrote:

What is not working with Vista? VPC? It is working, you just need beta version of Virtual PC 2007... :-)

I tried to run (copy/paste) the client directly under Vista ... the VPC works fine (only have to add some RAM to it

).

By the way, did you know that with our license, you can't use the word/excel integration? So, probably, it's going to be a "payable" granule in the license, don't you think?

kine · 2007-01-15

No, it is just because this is using new codeunit, which is not in our license yet. You will need to refresh the license...

And the client is running under Vista without problems... :-)

Waldo · 2007-01-15

kine wrote:

And the client is running under Vista without problems... :-)

#-o

And how the hell did you do that?

:-k

kine · 2007-01-15

I do not know... just copied the client and Common Files\Dynamics NAV and registered all DLLs which were there... And I have NAV 4.00SP2 installed there too... which error you have?
(the screenshots are made on Vista...)

Kowa · 2007-01-15

kine wrote:

Can you post me the error? On which URL - MSMVPS or Dynamicsusers? Have you been logged in? I will check if anonymous posts are allowed...

I was looged in at Dynamicsusers. After writing the comment and pressing "Submit" the next page showed someting like Server Error in '/' Application. and a long SQL error stack trace.

Waldo · 2007-01-15

kine wrote:

I do not know... just copied the client and Common Files\Dynamics NAV and registered all DLLs which were there... And I have NAV 4.00SP2 installed there too... which error you have?
(the screenshots are made on Vista...)

Well, it just closes the program the moment I want to open it. No errors.
But I was a bit lazy :oops: . Didn't register the dll's yet. Let me try that and I'll come back to you... .

Phenno · 2007-01-15

Kowa wrote:

kine wrote:

Can you post me the error? On which URL - MSMVPS or Dynamicsusers? Have you been logged in? I will check if anonymous posts are allowed...

I was looged in at Dynamicsusers. After writing the comment and pressing "Submit" the next page showed someting like Server Error in '/' Application. and a long SQL error stack trace.

something messed up today with dinamicsusers...

NavStudent · 2007-01-15

4.0 came about about 2 years ago. So in two years this is all that Navision has done to done. Add 10 functions. From 4.0 to 5.0.

Man They develop slowly.
And feature wise, they've add about 10 new features, which my guess if a NSC could do it in two thre months at most.
How many developers do they have?

I know they've spent time on 5.1 but they sell Navision as a tool that can be customiziable and flexible. Why aren't they spending the time to make the dev. environment what it should like.
I know it's an ERP system, but it's being sold as dev environment as well.
WTF.

ara3n · 2007-01-15

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kine · 2007-01-15

NavStudent wrote:

4.0 came about about 2 years ago. So in two years this is all that Navision has done to done. Add 10 functions. From 4.0 to 5.0.

Man They develop slowly.
And feature wise, they've add about 10 new features, which my guess if a NSC could do it in two thre months at most.
How many developers do they have?

I know they've spent time on 5.1 but they sell Navision as a tool that can be customiziable and flexible. Why aren't they spending the time to make the dev. environment what it should like.
I know it's an ERP system, but it's being sold as dev environment as well.
WTF.

I do not know how much you know all around v5.0 but it seems that you do not know all modifications made there. What I described yet is just small part. Wait for David's preview of functionality (I hope that he will public it in short time) like modifications in costing etc. Many things are just small modules or modifications, but may be you know that best customization is the smallest but smart one. And do not forget that thinking about what you want to do and how to do that takes much more time than finally coding the modification. And if you take into account the focus to whole new client version with new mid-tier... 8)

And about the dev environment - would you modify something what is working but you know that if you want to do big progress you need to change it from base? All about Dynamics (odl project Green) is to create new up-to-date modern dev environment for creating the modifications and own modules. That old C/Side is not changing is just because this is old Dino which is living, but there are new small and smart mammals around waiting for their era...

Waldo · 2007-01-16

Waldo wrote:

kine wrote:

I do not know... just copied the client and Common Files\Dynamics NAV and registered all DLLs which were there... And I have NAV 4.00SP2 installed there too... which error you have?
(the screenshots are made on Vista...)

Well, it just closes the program the moment I want to open it. No errors.
But I was a bit lazy :oops: . Didn't register the dll's yet. Let me try that and I'll come back to you... .

Doesn't work.
All dll's registered, but no luck.
I also noticed my Windows Update doesn't work (and that problem seems to be quite common when you're registered in a domain). So I'll try to search in that direction ... . May be there is some important update missing on my PC :-k

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